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Post by grassi25 on Oct 20, 2010 18:53:50 GMT -5
Anybody see the thing on the news about the rem 700 and how it can fire when you take the safety off?
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Post by swampbuck on Oct 20, 2010 19:06:52 GMT -5
That has been a recurring problem for a while with them..
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Post by JD on Oct 20, 2010 19:13:38 GMT -5
The recurring problem is idiots, who do not know what they are doing, incorrectly adjusting the trigger. You do it wrong, and the striker can release when the bolt is slammed, or the safety released.
The so called "expert" on CNBC's bit testified that he could not replicate it with the "faulty" rifles he tested.
It is nothing more than ignorance. Ignorance on the part of people doing something they should not do. Ie, lightening the trigger, properly maintaining the weapon, and unsafe handling.
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Post by swampbuck on Oct 20, 2010 19:34:04 GMT -5
That may be true for most.. A buddy of mine had two mid 80's 7mm express 700's that did this and he never touched the triggers.. He sent them back and both were repaired free of charge..
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Post by buckfever on Oct 20, 2010 19:48:51 GMT -5
i've been shooting 700's for the better part of a decade and haven't had any issues. i'd hate to see remington get a bad reputation over something like this. if i had any complaints about the 700 it is the safety though. anybody that's ever had a deer sneak up close to them knows that flipping the safety off can be an interesting task to do quietly. the thing about it is, guns are dangerous PERIOD. as long as the proper safety rules are followed, if a safety fails nobody should be injured or killed. i think this is a good reminder for us to make sure that we follow all the rules for safety and use our heads when handling our firearms. we don't need to give the anti-gun nuts any more reasons to take our right to bear arms away.
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Post by machette on Oct 20, 2010 20:24:17 GMT -5
My new 700 sps tactical I got has an adjustable trigger. The warning sheet said anything below 3lbs should be used for range shooting only, and that the gun should not be loaded while transporting. It was set at 3 1/2 from the factory and breaks like glass. I havent seen any reason to adjust down.
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Post by allhunter on Oct 20, 2010 21:21:03 GMT -5
i've been shooting 700's for the better part of a decade and haven't had any issues. i'd hate to see remington get a bad reputation over something like this. if i had any complaints about the 700 it is the safety though. anybody that's ever had a deer sneak up close to them knows that flipping the safety off can be an interesting task to do quietly. the thing about it is, guns are dangerous PERIOD. as long as the proper safety rules are followed, if a safety fails nobody should be injured or killed. i think this is a good reminder for us to make sure that we follow all the rules for safety and use our heads when handling our firearms. we don't need to give the anti-gun nuts any more reasons to take our right to bear arms away. perfectly said
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Post by bertman on Oct 20, 2010 22:10:20 GMT -5
Never had any trouble out of my 700's still shoot great.
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Post by passinthru on Oct 21, 2010 5:05:15 GMT -5
They have been saying this for years. I agree with jd its not the gun its the operator. Great guns is all ive ever heard.
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Post by buckfever on Oct 21, 2010 8:45:15 GMT -5
interestingly enough, i was flipping channels just minutes after making my post and guess what was on CNBC, the story about the safetly problem. it's coming on again next thursday at either 8 or 9 if you guys want to check it out. i tell you what though, that show was a perfect example of context and not telling the whole truth. here's what i got out of it. Mr. Walker, the inventor of the famous trigger in question, at one point said that there was a theoretical chance for failure in with the trigger. well crap, theoretcially liberal democrats should never have any supporters, but they do. so, there's a potential for failure and a couple of people died unfortunately while holding a remington 700. they spent close to an hour bad mouthing remington and the design, but they tracked Mr. Walker down and near the end of the program after he was asked if a bad design was to blame for the deaths, he says he doesn't know all the conditions. was the gun clean, did they mess with it, etc, etc. and that was the best point of the whole program. who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 8:57:42 GMT -5
Main Stream Media is a Propaganda Machine that sculpts the Minds of the Sheepish Masses. I cant watch that crap without my blood pressure going up. So I just turn it off. If one bases their opinions on what they see on Tv, they've handicapped themselves. CNBC, FOX, CNN & etc. don't report facts, they report misinformation & propaganda.
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Post by JD on Oct 21, 2010 8:58:34 GMT -5
Remington is getting VERY vocal about this. Glad to see they are actually responding.
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Post by grassi25 on Oct 21, 2010 12:01:10 GMT -5
It was an interesting show. I have always heard good things about the 700 and always wanted one.
I certainly never liked the fact that you have to take them off safety too unload them, which I believe they have changed.
Ofcourse, like Mr. Walker said there is no doubt with thousands of guns made and possible shoddy manufacturing there could be some bad firearms.
While sitting in the stand this weekend I thought about hunting accidents and how they are so sad. Because it is such a pure good sport to have something tragic happen.
That woman shot her son, and imagine them having to live with that. I don't blame the husband for trying to get some sort of closure for he and his wife.
Granted, I questioned the reporting. the videos of the gun firing was not very professional, and those guns could have been tampered with.
If they wanted to prove it why not collect a couple hundred guns new and old, and see if they can replicate the effect, on a factory gun. I would say that if you could get it to happen once, that someone had grounds for a law suit.
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Post by buckfever on Oct 21, 2010 19:45:27 GMT -5
grassi, you're right. i know for fact i'd be trying to find a little closure. it's an unfortunate situation, but there are so many different pieces of the puzzle that it's hard to see them all at the same time. i love my remingtons and i'm sure i'll buy another one, but i do believe they should have made different decisions regarding the way they handled this situation. should all possibly affected guns be recalled to have the part that is supposed to solve the issue added? yes they should. will remington do it? no. biggest reason is that the cost of the recall is more than the company is worth. what does it all mean? it means that if remington recalls the rifles, remington disappears into bankruptcy. and they may not even have the money to complete the recalls at all. once they announce the recall the stock price is going to drop like obama's popularity. then they won't have the capital to complete the repairs and on top of everything else, their reputation is damaged and they can't keep the doors open because of missing revenues. if there is an actual problem as bad as the media makes it sound, remington can't afford a recall it's as simple as that.
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Post by passinthru on Oct 22, 2010 5:12:52 GMT -5
I cant see a recall happening. If there was a problem i would think that Rem would have done something about it sooner. Why would a firearm man. keep putting out unsafe rifles? Just doesnt seem like that would be smart. I still say maybe they put out a few bad guns but i believe with the mass manufacturing proccess every manufacture has a few but i still believe it all those at home based gunsmiths have caused this problem.
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Post by buckfever on Oct 22, 2010 16:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by terminator on Oct 22, 2010 17:43:13 GMT -5
I have no problems with Remington 700's safety! I am actually quite fond of it. When will the media accept the fact that everything made can not "idiot proof"!? As said before, the problems exist with people who don't know what they are doing tinkering with the trigger pull. If anyone has a Remington 700 that they are afraid of, just send it to me ad I will keep it for them! I will even be nice enough to pay for the shipping!LOL...
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Post by buckfever on Oct 22, 2010 20:08:19 GMT -5
no disrespect for the families that lost loved ones, but common sense used to be rewarded with your well-being. idiot proofing everything adds pages and pages to owner's manuals (including the one that comes with a new 700), and results in the countless law suits that are filed everyday. even petzal said that if the gun hadn't been pointed at the kid, even though his mom couldn't see him, he would still be here today. i've said it before and i'll say it again. i don't agree with darwinism, but in some cases it makes perfect sense.
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Post by terminator on Oct 23, 2010 6:55:56 GMT -5
Yep, too many inferior genetics floating around today! LOl.... NO modifications to a firearm should ever be done unless the person doing them knows what he is doing. We live in a not my fault/finger pointing society. It is time that we take responsibilty in our personal screw ups and not blame everyone else.
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Post by dagr8bilster on Oct 23, 2010 12:07:55 GMT -5
Mine has never given me any problems.
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